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		<title>By: Item Types in a QuickBooks Bill of Materials : QuickBooks and Beyond</title>
		<link>http://qbblog.ccrsoftware.info/2008/08/outsourced-or-sub-contract-work-in-quickbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-7011</link>
		<dc:creator>Item Types in a QuickBooks Bill of Materials : QuickBooks and Beyond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 23:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If you have some work done on an assembly by an outside processor, such as deburring or coating, add this cost to the assembly item using one of these items. When you pay the vendor for the outside processing the cost goes to your expense account. When you build the item, the cost is “capitalized”, removed from the expense account and added to the inventory asset for the assembly. This can be handled in several ways, as I discuss in my article on Outsourced or Sub-Contract Work in QuickBooks. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] If you have some work done on an assembly by an outside processor, such as deburring or coating, add this cost to the assembly item using one of these items. When you pay the vendor for the outside processing the cost goes to your expense account. When you build the item, the cost is “capitalized”, removed from the expense account and added to the inventory asset for the assembly. This can be handled in several ways, as I discuss in my article on Outsourced or Sub-Contract Work in QuickBooks. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
		<link>http://qbblog.ccrsoftware.info/2008/08/outsourced-or-sub-contract-work-in-quickbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-5260</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 22:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick, you can contact me at the email address in the profile page. I do charge an hourly rate for direct support.

The approaches outlined above are based on the assumption that you own the lowest level parts and are just sending them to the vendor for processing. So you aren&#039;t buying the parts from the vendor, you are just paying them for the assembly service. There isn&#039;t a tie between the parts and a PO at all. The bill you pay is for the service of doing the assembly - you can work that in to the BOM costs, but they aren&#039;t a part.

If you are not buying the parts and giving them to the vendor, if they are building the parts, then you don&#039;t own them ahead of time, and we are talking about an entirely different scenario</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick, you can contact me at the email address in the profile page. I do charge an hourly rate for direct support.</p>
<p>The approaches outlined above are based on the assumption that you own the lowest level parts and are just sending them to the vendor for processing. So you aren&#8217;t buying the parts from the vendor, you are just paying them for the assembly service. There isn&#8217;t a tie between the parts and a PO at all. The bill you pay is for the service of doing the assembly &#8211; you can work that in to the BOM costs, but they aren&#8217;t a part.</p>
<p>If you are not buying the parts and giving them to the vendor, if they are building the parts, then you don&#8217;t own them ahead of time, and we are talking about an entirely different scenario</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://qbblog.ccrsoftware.info/2008/08/outsourced-or-sub-contract-work-in-quickbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-5258</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 21:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Charlie. Do you consult on a more formal basis?

Also--as for the reconciliation of payments to vendors related to builds--How would you suggest structuring the manual process for matching payments to vendors who perform specific steps/work with respect to the assembly build process? Does using a the assembly build essentially replace the method of receiving items with a bill against a PO and creating a payable for hte vendor?

Thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Charlie. Do you consult on a more formal basis?</p>
<p>Also&#8211;as for the reconciliation of payments to vendors related to builds&#8211;How would you suggest structuring the manual process for matching payments to vendors who perform specific steps/work with respect to the assembly build process? Does using a the assembly build essentially replace the method of receiving items with a bill against a PO and creating a payable for hte vendor?</p>
<p>Thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
		<link>http://qbblog.ccrsoftware.info/2008/08/outsourced-or-sub-contract-work-in-quickbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-5256</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 20:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick, individual consulting on specific issues is a bit beyond the scope of this blog - particularly when we are talking via &quot;comments&quot; and I don&#039;t have access to your company file.

In a very general sense, I&#039;d say you are heading the right direction. Based on the minimal info that you have provided.

The choice of approach depends on what kind of information you want to get out of the system AND how much manpower you have to run it. I can&#039;t really say which applies to your situation the best, at this point.

Reconciling PO&#039;s with assemblies built this way is tough - it generally is a manual process as QB doesn&#039;t really give you the detailed info. You can see amounts on pending builds vs amounts on open PO, but they aren&#039;t tied directly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick, individual consulting on specific issues is a bit beyond the scope of this blog &#8211; particularly when we are talking via &#8220;comments&#8221; and I don&#8217;t have access to your company file.</p>
<p>In a very general sense, I&#8217;d say you are heading the right direction. Based on the minimal info that you have provided.</p>
<p>The choice of approach depends on what kind of information you want to get out of the system AND how much manpower you have to run it. I can&#8217;t really say which applies to your situation the best, at this point.</p>
<p>Reconciling PO&#8217;s with assemblies built this way is tough &#8211; it generally is a manual process as QB doesn&#8217;t really give you the detailed info. You can see amounts on pending builds vs amounts on open PO, but they aren&#8217;t tied directly.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://qbblog.ccrsoftware.info/2008/08/outsourced-or-sub-contract-work-in-quickbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-5255</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 17:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Charlie,

First thanks for all of your efforts—your articles are extremely helpful!

I am an experienced QB Manufacturing &amp; Wholesale user helping a start-up client set up their QB accurately. In my past experience, I’ve never had to use the assembly function in QB so this is a new space for me. After reading your article comparing Groups vs. Assemblies, I’m confident we need to go with an assembly build as the foundation for our inventory management process as ultimately we sell a finished good and we need the ability to reliably track the qty and transactions of that finished good.

Our situation is this: we are not a manufacturer per se because we outsource the entire manufacturing process. For our core product, we direct the work of 3 suppliers that each perform different steps in production process to complete our finished good. We own some of the raw materials (or components) used in their manufacturing process and they own some of the others while charging us service fees for their work

This is a summary of the approach I think would be best suited for this company:
1.	Track inventory levels of all of the components that we own that are being stored at our suppliers’ warehouses by setting up the component items as inventory parts and the finished goods as assembly items. Will need to use one of the two approaches you outlined above to facilitate this tracking.
2.	Track inventory levels of all of our finished goods being held at our facility by completing “Builds” for these assembly items once we receive the finished goods. 
3.	When setting up our finished goods as Assembly items, we will create  BOM that includes all material costs (which we are responsible for) and manufacturing charges we will pay to our suppliers for their services
4.	Reconcile payments made to our suppliers with PO’s issued to them (not sure how to do this). 


I’m not sure if I’ve given you enough info to assess this or not, but I have several questions:

1.	Does this approach sound like the best route to you? 
2.	Which of the two approaches you outlined in this article would your recommend for us?
3.	Could you explain how the process should work to reconcile POs and payments to our vendors with the assembly builds? 
4.	Any other suggestions?


Thanks so much.

-Nick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Charlie,</p>
<p>First thanks for all of your efforts—your articles are extremely helpful!</p>
<p>I am an experienced QB Manufacturing &amp; Wholesale user helping a start-up client set up their QB accurately. In my past experience, I’ve never had to use the assembly function in QB so this is a new space for me. After reading your article comparing Groups vs. Assemblies, I’m confident we need to go with an assembly build as the foundation for our inventory management process as ultimately we sell a finished good and we need the ability to reliably track the qty and transactions of that finished good.</p>
<p>Our situation is this: we are not a manufacturer per se because we outsource the entire manufacturing process. For our core product, we direct the work of 3 suppliers that each perform different steps in production process to complete our finished good. We own some of the raw materials (or components) used in their manufacturing process and they own some of the others while charging us service fees for their work</p>
<p>This is a summary of the approach I think would be best suited for this company:<br />
1.	Track inventory levels of all of the components that we own that are being stored at our suppliers’ warehouses by setting up the component items as inventory parts and the finished goods as assembly items. Will need to use one of the two approaches you outlined above to facilitate this tracking.<br />
2.	Track inventory levels of all of our finished goods being held at our facility by completing “Builds” for these assembly items once we receive the finished goods.<br />
3.	When setting up our finished goods as Assembly items, we will create  BOM that includes all material costs (which we are responsible for) and manufacturing charges we will pay to our suppliers for their services<br />
4.	Reconcile payments made to our suppliers with PO’s issued to them (not sure how to do this). </p>
<p>I’m not sure if I’ve given you enough info to assess this or not, but I have several questions:</p>
<p>1.	Does this approach sound like the best route to you?<br />
2.	Which of the two approaches you outlined in this article would your recommend for us?<br />
3.	Could you explain how the process should work to reconcile POs and payments to our vendors with the assembly builds?<br />
4.	Any other suggestions?</p>
<p>Thanks so much.</p>
<p>-Nick</p>
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		<title>By: Heatmichael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heatmichael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 06:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is complex and interesting problem and suggestion,
all are great.

may i know is it work with my idea:

do the subcontract with two bill entries:

1. one for Subcontractor and it&#039;s charges only
2. another one for Combine Finished Good


in 1:
create a Bill as simple,
enter Expense tab, enter the Sub-contract charges over there.

E.g:
Vendor = SubContract-vendor
AP Total = 50

Expense Tab:
Account = SubContract Fee
Amount  = 50

for 2:
Vendor = BOM
AP Total = 0

Expense Tab:
Account = SubContract Fee
Amount  = -50

Item Tab:
Item        Qty    Cost    Total
Mat1         -1       1       -1
Mat2         -1       1       -1
Mat3         -1       1       -1

FG1           1       53      53

is this ok?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is complex and interesting problem and suggestion,<br />
all are great.</p>
<p>may i know is it work with my idea:</p>
<p>do the subcontract with two bill entries:</p>
<p>1. one for Subcontractor and it&#8217;s charges only<br />
2. another one for Combine Finished Good</p>
<p>in 1:<br />
create a Bill as simple,<br />
enter Expense tab, enter the Sub-contract charges over there.</p>
<p>E.g:<br />
Vendor = SubContract-vendor<br />
AP Total = 50</p>
<p>Expense Tab:<br />
Account = SubContract Fee<br />
Amount  = 50</p>
<p>for 2:<br />
Vendor = BOM<br />
AP Total = 0</p>
<p>Expense Tab:<br />
Account = SubContract Fee<br />
Amount  = -50</p>
<p>Item Tab:<br />
Item        Qty    Cost    Total<br />
Mat1         -1       1       -1<br />
Mat2         -1       1       -1<br />
Mat3         -1       1       -1</p>
<p>FG1           1       53      53</p>
<p>is this ok?</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, did you change the &quot;accounts&quot; for the item at the same time? Usually that is what triggers the kind of changes you talk about. Or, changing a &quot;non-inventory&quot; part to an inventory part or assembly.

Hopefully you had a backup before you made the change?

In any case, if you are seeing this and you didn&#039;t do any of the things I mentioned, then what you need to do is to make the original item &quot;inactive&quot; and create a new inventory assembly item. You can rename the &quot;inactive&quot; item and give the new assembly item the old name. Then you aren&#039;t affecting any transactions. However, make sure that you transfer the value/quantity of the parts, if they have an on hand balance, into the new assembly part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, did you change the &#8220;accounts&#8221; for the item at the same time? Usually that is what triggers the kind of changes you talk about. Or, changing a &#8220;non-inventory&#8221; part to an inventory part or assembly.</p>
<p>Hopefully you had a backup before you made the change?</p>
<p>In any case, if you are seeing this and you didn&#8217;t do any of the things I mentioned, then what you need to do is to make the original item &#8220;inactive&#8221; and create a new inventory assembly item. You can rename the &#8220;inactive&#8221; item and give the new assembly item the old name. Then you aren&#8217;t affecting any transactions. However, make sure that you transfer the value/quantity of the parts, if they have an on hand balance, into the new assembly part.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://qbblog.ccrsoftware.info/2008/08/outsourced-or-sub-contract-work-in-quickbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-2905</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Charlie,
We have several SKU&#039;s that we purchased as a finished item. We&#039;d set those items up as Inventory Parts. We now buy a number of the raw material components and have them converted to the finished good by a contractor. We wanted to change those SKU&#039;s from Inventory Parts to Assembly Items, create the BOM&#039;s for each item, and be able to track the raw material component inventories and use Builds to track usage of the raw materials. 
However, when we changed one of the SKU&#039;s from an Inventory Part to an Assembly, Quickbooks went back and changed historical financial data (cost of goods and inventory values) for closed accounting periods. It did not warn us that prior closed periods would be changed. 
Any suggestions on how to avoid this unintended change to prior periods?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Charlie,<br />
We have several SKU&#8217;s that we purchased as a finished item. We&#8217;d set those items up as Inventory Parts. We now buy a number of the raw material components and have them converted to the finished good by a contractor. We wanted to change those SKU&#8217;s from Inventory Parts to Assembly Items, create the BOM&#8217;s for each item, and be able to track the raw material component inventories and use Builds to track usage of the raw materials.<br />
However, when we changed one of the SKU&#8217;s from an Inventory Part to an Assembly, Quickbooks went back and changed historical financial data (cost of goods and inventory values) for closed accounting periods. It did not warn us that prior closed periods would be changed.<br />
Any suggestions on how to avoid this unintended change to prior periods?</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 02:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, you can set up a service item (for example - you may want to play with this) for the costs. Add it to the BOM, so it pulls cost from an account and puts it into the item that you assemble. You will be posting to that account when you pay the bill to the company doing the outsourcing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, you can set up a service item (for example &#8211; you may want to play with this) for the costs. Add it to the BOM, so it pulls cost from an account and puts it into the item that you assemble. You will be posting to that account when you pay the bill to the company doing the outsourcing.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://qbblog.ccrsoftware.info/2008/08/outsourced-or-sub-contract-work-in-quickbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-2697</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 01:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Charlie,

The assembly option will definitely get the inventory quantities right but what would be the best way to get the value add charge from the vendor recorded?  

In you example the inventory is sent to the vendor and then when the inventory is received I run the build.  But the vendor has also charged me a fee for the service which I would also like to include in the cost as well as pay the vendor.

I did not see where the BOM option handled that piece.

Thanks,
Dan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Charlie,</p>
<p>The assembly option will definitely get the inventory quantities right but what would be the best way to get the value add charge from the vendor recorded?  </p>
<p>In you example the inventory is sent to the vendor and then when the inventory is received I run the build.  But the vendor has also charged me a fee for the service which I would also like to include in the cost as well as pay the vendor.</p>
<p>I did not see where the BOM option handled that piece.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Dan</p>
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