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		<title>By: Chris Solberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Solberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 15:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlie &amp; Rustler,

Thanks for the replies. Through this blog, I am aware of some desktop solutions and the one I&#039;m leaning toward is Personable&#039;s SourceLink. It seems to be a nicely designed solution. I&#039;d still prefer Intuit&#039;s 100% integrated DM, but am not willing to have my PRIMARY storage on their servers.

I have off site backup of my local data through a nightly backup service, so I have that covered.

However, since it appears the reason Intuit offered Document Management was simply to collect monthly fees for data storage, I was pointing out to Intuit again that (despite already paying for backup elsewhere) I&#039;d use their DM and be willing to give them a few bucks a month to needlessly backup my documents -- IF they would allow me to primarily scan and store my documents locally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie &amp; Rustler,</p>
<p>Thanks for the replies. Through this blog, I am aware of some desktop solutions and the one I&#8217;m leaning toward is Personable&#8217;s SourceLink. It seems to be a nicely designed solution. I&#8217;d still prefer Intuit&#8217;s 100% integrated DM, but am not willing to have my PRIMARY storage on their servers.</p>
<p>I have off site backup of my local data through a nightly backup service, so I have that covered.</p>
<p>However, since it appears the reason Intuit offered Document Management was simply to collect monthly fees for data storage, I was pointing out to Intuit again that (despite already paying for backup elsewhere) I&#8217;d use their DM and be willing to give them a few bucks a month to needlessly backup my documents &#8212; IF they would allow me to primarily scan and store my documents locally.</p>
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		<title>By: James Zachman</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Zachman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 21:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Intuit &quot;downtime&quot; gives Cloud Computing a bad rep in my opinion. 99.9% uptime is the standard with scheduled outages and customers informed in advance. Let us hope Intuit figures this out so it will not happen again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Intuit &#8220;downtime&#8221; gives Cloud Computing a bad rep in my opinion. 99.9% uptime is the standard with scheduled outages and customers informed in advance. Let us hope Intuit figures this out so it will not happen again.</p>
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		<title>By: Rustler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rustler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlie I will be the first to admit that you know more about networking and QB than I do, or should. Maybe I am just defining things wrong, but to me online access is different than cloud computing.

Online access needs the net, no doubt about it, but that is a connection issue the way I see it, not a data or application issue as I understand cloud computing to be.

On a different note, did you see that there is a bill in congress to give the white house an internet off switch? If approved the white house will be able to shut down all out side access to the net, and in theory the US net itself if a wide spread cyber attack is thought to be happening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie I will be the first to admit that you know more about networking and QB than I do, or should. Maybe I am just defining things wrong, but to me online access is different than cloud computing.</p>
<p>Online access needs the net, no doubt about it, but that is a connection issue the way I see it, not a data or application issue as I understand cloud computing to be.</p>
<p>On a different note, did you see that there is a bill in congress to give the white house an internet off switch? If approved the white house will be able to shut down all out side access to the net, and in theory the US net itself if a wide spread cyber attack is thought to be happening.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rustler, again, I can&#039;t really argue with you much on this, as I&#039;m a firm supporter of desktop and local computing. But there are situations where some businesses need online access in some fashion, and cloud computing may be the answer. If you have a widespread business with multiple offices, and you want them to access the same data, you need the Internet in some fashion. Using remote tools like LogMeIn only works if you are doing a low volume of data. So some sort of tool to access your data via the Internet is very useful, and there are multiple approaches. The key in my mind is to craft a method by which you are not crippled if you lose the cloud server. If services aren&#039;t available, have a means to get around the problem. Or, only use services that you can live without if the server is down. Don&#039;t make them mission critical AND not have an alternate plan.

Local desktop management programs don&#039;t have to work with proprietary data formats. Some store just links to the documents and move the documents to a special folder. Some, like PaperSave Plus, store the data in a SQL Server database that you can access with other tools, I believe. And, using a DMS product doesn&#039;t mean that you have to file the only copy in that system, you can also keep a parallel copy of the document in a special folder. DMS systems shine in retrieval - if you call up a customer in QB you can easily find the documents associated with that customer, rather than having to search on multiple individual&#039;s computers scattered about, or in a very full central filing server. Again, the point is to not blindly rely on the product. Have an alternate plan in place so that if the DMS product goes away for some reason, you still have access to your data. It takes a bit of planning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rustler, again, I can&#8217;t really argue with you much on this, as I&#8217;m a firm supporter of desktop and local computing. But there are situations where some businesses need online access in some fashion, and cloud computing may be the answer. If you have a widespread business with multiple offices, and you want them to access the same data, you need the Internet in some fashion. Using remote tools like LogMeIn only works if you are doing a low volume of data. So some sort of tool to access your data via the Internet is very useful, and there are multiple approaches. The key in my mind is to craft a method by which you are not crippled if you lose the cloud server. If services aren&#8217;t available, have a means to get around the problem. Or, only use services that you can live without if the server is down. Don&#8217;t make them mission critical AND not have an alternate plan.</p>
<p>Local desktop management programs don&#8217;t have to work with proprietary data formats. Some store just links to the documents and move the documents to a special folder. Some, like PaperSave Plus, store the data in a SQL Server database that you can access with other tools, I believe. And, using a DMS product doesn&#8217;t mean that you have to file the only copy in that system, you can also keep a parallel copy of the document in a special folder. DMS systems shine in retrieval &#8211; if you call up a customer in QB you can easily find the documents associated with that customer, rather than having to search on multiple individual&#8217;s computers scattered about, or in a very full central filing server. Again, the point is to not blindly rely on the product. Have an alternate plan in place so that if the DMS product goes away for some reason, you still have access to your data. It takes a bit of planning.</p>
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		<title>By: Rustler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rustler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlie - I understand the aspect of merchant services, etc as being necessary. It the rest of the cloud computing concept that is the problem. 

Chris - if you have a web site that is hosted off your property, just back up to that web site, you are already paying for the storage anyway. There are open source ftp/backup programs that will do it for you on a schedule at night or whenever.

And desktop document management programs have one inherent problem in my opinion, they rely on proprietary file/dba systems. That basically means if you don&#039;t have that management program running then you can&#039;t access the documents.  I scan and save to pdf, every computer reads pdf.  And it means that during an audit I control what documents are provided rather than opening the whole dba document system to the auditor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie &#8211; I understand the aspect of merchant services, etc as being necessary. It the rest of the cloud computing concept that is the problem. </p>
<p>Chris &#8211; if you have a web site that is hosted off your property, just back up to that web site, you are already paying for the storage anyway. There are open source ftp/backup programs that will do it for you on a schedule at night or whenever.</p>
<p>And desktop document management programs have one inherent problem in my opinion, they rely on proprietary file/dba systems. That basically means if you don&#8217;t have that management program running then you can&#8217;t access the documents.  I scan and save to pdf, every computer reads pdf.  And it means that during an audit I control what documents are provided rather than opening the whole dba document system to the auditor.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 15:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rustler, I won&#039;t argue with you on this one, as I am a supporter of desktop computing. However, for some organizations, and for some kinds of businesses, online services are a necessity. So we have to be concerned with the reliability of these things. Merchant Services is a very basic and simple example - in some of the outages people weren&#039;t able to process their credit card payments. There are ways of dealing with that in for a short while, but it is hard to not totally rely on that kind of thing.

Chris, there are desktop/LAN oriented document management solutions available. See my article on one of them at http://qbblog.ccrsoftware.info/2009/08/review-papersave-plus-documentation-management-for-quickbooks/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rustler, I won&#8217;t argue with you on this one, as I am a supporter of desktop computing. However, for some organizations, and for some kinds of businesses, online services are a necessity. So we have to be concerned with the reliability of these things. Merchant Services is a very basic and simple example &#8211; in some of the outages people weren&#8217;t able to process their credit card payments. There are ways of dealing with that in for a short while, but it is hard to not totally rely on that kind of thing.</p>
<p>Chris, there are desktop/LAN oriented document management solutions available. See my article on one of them at <a href="http://qbblog.ccrsoftware.info/2009/08/review-papersave-plus-documentation-management-for-quickbooks/" rel="nofollow">http://qbblog.ccrsoftware.info/2009/08/review-papersave-plus-documentation-management-for-quickbooks/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Solberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Solberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 14:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is good confirmation of my decision to not utilize their Document Management application.  I want to store and access my documents locally, and not be without my documents in the case of an outage.

INTUIT: I&#039;d still be willing to pay an appropriate monthly fee for a required &quot;backup&quot; service that you may require in order to activate locally hosted document management! Then we all win -- you get a fee for backing up my valuable data, plus I get to store data locally while knowing it is backed up securely at a remote location.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is good confirmation of my decision to not utilize their Document Management application.  I want to store and access my documents locally, and not be without my documents in the case of an outage.</p>
<p>INTUIT: I&#8217;d still be willing to pay an appropriate monthly fee for a required &#8220;backup&#8221; service that you may require in order to activate locally hosted document management! Then we all win &#8212; you get a fee for backing up my valuable data, plus I get to store data locally while knowing it is backed up securely at a remote location.</p>
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		<title>By: Rustler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rustler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 11:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only way to minimize, as you put it, this kind of problem when it happens in the future, is to not rely on it to start with.  On-line services should be a back up, not an operational necessity in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only way to minimize, as you put it, this kind of problem when it happens in the future, is to not rely on it to start with.  On-line services should be a back up, not an operational necessity in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jun 2010 13:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>June 20, 2010, 4:00am PDT - All of Intuit services are back online. I know that this has been a frustrating experience for you, and we apologize for the downtime that these service interruptions have caused. 

The Intuit team continues to monitor our systems closely. We are still looking into these outages to fully understand the root cause and what we can do to get better. Thank you for your patience.

Rich Walker, CPA
Intuit Inc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>June 20, 2010, 4:00am PDT &#8211; All of Intuit services are back online. I know that this has been a frustrating experience for you, and we apologize for the downtime that these service interruptions have caused. </p>
<p>The Intuit team continues to monitor our systems closely. We are still looking into these outages to fully understand the root cause and what we can do to get better. Thank you for your patience.</p>
<p>Rich Walker, CPA<br />
Intuit Inc.</p>
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